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Kenny Klimes
KeymasterGreat question! This has come up before and we as a group received some clarification on a couple of things that you have asked. Let’s see if I can clarify some of the rules and regulations that many of us do not think about. I say this because I feel that the MDC regulations are poorly written and can be confusing. Especially when you have to look in several areas to confirm a regulation.
To answer your questions. Definition of a Fly — An artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait that is tied, glued, or otherwise permanently attached. Notice that articulated flies are not considered a fly but they are considered a artificial lure. We asked the question to MDC are rubberlegged stoneflies considered “flies”? The answer was yes. But we have not received words on squirmy worm oe Son of San Juan worms. All Foam flies are OK. I will ask the question to MDC and get a definitive answer to the term “soft plastic bait” I do not think it means the Son of San Juan fly but it may make the squirmy worm a non-fly.
Other rules that we don’t think about:
1. During the winter catch and release season, in the trout parks, you need both a fishing permit and a trout permit. If over 65 yrs old you still need a trout permit to fish in the parks. Fishing outside the parks at any time you only need a trout permit if you possess trout EXCEPT when fishing Lake Taneycomo you DO need a trout permit in addition to your fishing permit when fishing from the Table Rock dam to the US Hwy 65 bridge. This includes the areas we fish when we go as a group to fish Lake Taneycomo.2. In the Trout Red ribbon areas and Trout Blue ribbon areas you can only use flies or artificial lures. If you possess trout know your length limits and how many trout you can possess.
3. In the summer catch and keep season in the state trout parks (including Maramec Spring park) you must have a fishing permit and a park trout tag (trout permit not needed). You can only keep four trout and once you have caught and kept four trout you are done fishing for the day. No culling of trout once you put them on your stringer.
Definitions of bait and lures:(A) Natural and scented baits—A natural
fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs
permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae,
worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn, and other
food substances not containing any ingredient
to stupefy, injure, or kill fish. Does not
include flies or artificial lures. Includes
dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any substance
designed to attract fish by taste or
smell, and any fly, lure, or bait containing or
used with such substances.
(B) Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic
eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs, and
soft plastic lures.
(C) Artificial lure—A lure constructed of
any material excluding soft plastic bait and
natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or
(B) above.
(D) Fly—An artificial lure constructed on a
single-point hook, using any material except
soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as
defined in (A) or (B) above, that is tied, glued,
or otherwise permanently attachedKenny Klimes
KeymasterIf you like the Firehole Sticks and I use them exclusively, please put a review on their web site. They would appreciate it. Make sure you indicate that you are from the FATC (but don’t mention the discount)
Also, for Tim – I have bought their Firehole Stones (tungsten beads) and they are designed to fit the jig style hooks – don’t need the slotted beads. Try them.
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterGosh, they will put anyone on the internet!
Thanks for finding my photo, Mcclurey. It was a great day fishing with you and Landon.
And Sensei of all great fly fishers, thank you for your nice words about me.Kenny Klimes
KeymasterThanks for the Test
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterI’m going tiny since the only hatches in the winter are midges and BWO; Barr’s Emergers and all different colors of midge larva. But don’t forget the “Son of San Juan worm”. It has worked well the last couple of times used – I like red.
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterPossible place to get some tying books but it’s hit or miss. In the past I have picked up some great tying books and fly fishing books at the Half Price Books store. Go to their sports section and check out the fishing section. A couple years back I picked up some awesome tying and fly fishing books (hard cover) for 70% off the original price. They have three stores in the St Louis area – Chesterfield, St Louis (UCity) and St Charles.
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterI agree that floatant does matter depending on what you are putting floatant on. Deer hair is ok for paste or gel and CDC is best with a dry powder product.
Here’s a trick for all that use the New Zealand strike indicator which I think is one of the best and most sensitive indicator systems out there. Most think that the New Zealand strike indicator can’t hold up heavy flies/slip shot. Not true. Here’s a trick to help keep that wool floating higher and longer:
Get a popsicle stick or tongue depressor. attach on one side a small piece of velcro (the sticky side with the tiny hooks). When your New Zealand wool indicator is put on your line, add some gel or paste floatant to the velcro on the stick and brush the floatant into the wool. Just like you would comb your hair (no jokes, please). By brushing the floatant into the wool in this manner it will cover every “individual” wool fiber vice just the outside fibers if you goop it on the indicator with your fingers. Then take a small scissors (I keep one in my vest) and trim the indicator to the size that is commensurate with the amount of weight you have with your flies and split shot. I find this system works perfect with either light weight flies or heavier ones.
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterBigger trout love “meat”. Yes, crayfish patterns work well for trout, especially bigger trout (Browns). Great place to get some nice crayfish flies for a good price is – Woolybugger Fly Co. Jason carries crayfish flies. I’d recommend when fishing to use a sinking tip line or a sinking leader (the poor man’s sinking tip line) and fish them slow on the bottom. Crayfish swim “backwards” so most flies will have the head/claws toward the hook end of the fly. Good choice for a fly in our streams. Give it a try and report back!!
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterBill – check out the juju baetis pattern for your super hair.
And Barry – yes, I do, ah, like you a lot and know how to spell your last name!
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterBill – check out the juju baetis pattern for your super hair.
And Barry – yes, I do, ah, like you a lot and know how to spell your last name!
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterJim
I use Ultra Hair – same as the others.Make sure you use contrasting colors then the segmentation will come out better. And yes, it is small.
Here is invitation to come over and tie them at my house. I need some and could use the practice. Plus I just finished tying at the Branson Fly Fishing Expo and have fallen in love with my Donegan opti-vision magnifiers (glass only and magnification distance size #4)
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KeymasterJim
I use Ultra Hair – same as the others.Make sure you use contrasting colors then the segmentation will come out better. And yes, it is small.
Here is invitation to come over and tie them at my house. I need some and could use the practice. Plus I just finished tying at the Branson Fly Fishing Expo and have fallen in love with my Donegan opti-vision magnifiers (glass only and magnification distance size #4)
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterHaakeg,
The new FATC logo items will go on sale next month. We make large orders because it would be too expensive to make one or two items at a time and have them shipped. You will get plenty of notice and time to order. Thanks for asking.
Kenny Klimes
KeymasterKenny Klimes
KeymasterBob,
Yes, there is a way to sell your used gear through the FATC. Go to our “members only” calendar and select the last day of the month (this way the item stays in the calendar for the month). Just like you would add a trip you select the “calendar – select or type” then select the “gear sales” gray button. Type in your info and save.I know, how do I get to the members only calendar??? UGH!!!!
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