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  • in reply to: Going to the Salt – Bahamas in 2024 #30793
    Bob3700
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    OK,

    The trip is set and we need one more person.  Going to South Andros Lodge leave Feb8. and return  Feb. 14th.  Four days of Bone fishing with some Cuda and possible Permit thrown in.

    If you are interested, you can contact Chris Conant at T. Hargroves flyshop for more info.

    This is gonna be fun.

    Bob Beckett

    in reply to: Wading Boots #26392
    Bob3700
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    Having only owned Korea’s boots so my opinion is limited.

    two must haves for me.

    1: BOA lacing.  I am no longer in condition to be bending over with waders on to tie up boots. I slip them on and turn the knob to tighten them up. Walk a few steps and adjust the knob one more time n I am done for the day,

    2: Aluminum bars or discs ( Rock Treads) on the soles. Nothing provides grip on slippery rocks like aluminum. Down side is if u use a raft for fishing u will need a plain rubber sole so as not to damage the raft.

    The Korkers may not be the lightest but they give me the flexibility to change soles to suit the circumstances.

    Bob Beckett

    in reply to: Swap Meet #23522
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Oh boy, a birthday.  We need to make this an event to remember. Snacks to go with that adult beverage !!!!

    in reply to: Tips for Busch #23516
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Have not fished Busch but have been active at Jefferson lake in Forest Park.  Wind is ur friend here as it puts chop on the water n gives ur flies under an indicator movement.  Have had success with the orange beaded  dark brown leeches.  Also a Big Hirt has shown promise.
    I take a fast 6 wt. or even a 7 as casts are long to get to deeper water and try to cut the wind.  Heavier rods also help launch weighted streamers with more ease.

    keep moving around as u are lake fishing and trying to find where the fish are hanging out.  The fish have to move to find food.  Some areas will be more advantageous than others. It’s a treasure hunt!

    in reply to: Fishing for Bones #21560
    Bob3700
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    I know that there are FATC members who have expressed interest in doing some saltwater flats fishing so here is my report.  Just got back from a week’s family vacation in the Bahamas with a day or so of Bone fishing. Thought I would write up my experience so that you could get some information if you are interested in a similar trip.

    We traveled to the Bahamian island of Eleuthera.  This is a long thin island in the Bahamas group and is not necessarily considered a Bone fishing destination like Andros or Abaco.  But unlike those two islands, Eleuthera is not as commercialized or have as many people.  We went to Eleuthera in mid -March which is NOT the ideal time for fishing.  Best months according to our guide Paul Petty, are April and May.  Water temps are up (there are more Bone fish because they like the warmer water) and wind is less likely (this means better casting conditions).

    Recommended equipment for the trip is usually a crisp (read that saltwater) 8 wt. rod.  I took a 7wt. Sage Method (very fast action) and a 9 wt. Scott Meridian (salt water specific rod). Had Scientific Anglers Bone fish line along with 10ft. /10 and 12 lb leaders.  Bone fishing typically use long leaders so as not to scare the always spooky Bone fish.  Normally I tie my own flies but for this trip, I purchased a Bone fish fly assortment from Jerry (Hairwing530, on the NAFF). He is a master tier and created some beautiful Crazy Charlies, Gotcha’s and an assortment of small crab imitations. Whether you tie or not, I would overwhelming recommend him.  Reels are important as here is where you will use the drag to help wear the fish down.  Bone fish are very fast and powerful. You can’t believe your line can move that fast thru the water.  Those fish will strip your line to the backing before you can say “Jack Robinson”! When Bones are hooked, their speed and strength make a Trout seem pretty tame.

    So, to our day of fishing.  My son-n-law Travis and I booked Paul Petty for a day of flats fishing.  Paul is a well known Bone fishing guide in Eleuthera (Google Paul Petty) and I would highly recommend him. He is focused on putting you on fish, a good teacher and has tons of patience with novice fishermen.  He started the trip with a ½ day of walking the flats and showing us how to wade (slow and silent) along the combination of sand, coral, and sparsely mangroved flats.  The wind was up so Paul selected places that were as sheltered as possible.  We were thankful for that as casting in the wind is certainly a challenge.  Around here 10 mph is considered windy, in the Bahamas that is a calm, tropical breeze.  Usually, you have 20+ mph on the flats (they call them flats for a reason) and while wading, casts can typically be 30-60 feet.  Couple that with the fact that Bone fish are usually moving and now you need to lead the fish and cast to where they are going to be (+ time for your fly to sink).  It is sort of the equivalent to getting a good cross current drift when nymphing.  Good preparation for a Bone fishing trip would be to practice a quick delivery cast (no more than two false casts) to 50-60 ft. and work on your double haul if the wind gets a bit sporty.

    Walking the flats on Rock Sound, Paul spotted 5 Bonefish in some shallow water not far from the mangroves we were walking thru.  Maybe 45 ft. ahead of us.  He told me to cast to the right of the fish about three feet and let the fly sink (Bone fish are bottom feeders).   I began short strips on the line and on the second strip (with the rod tip on the water) the line came tight and Paul said “STICK HIM”.  A big strip set of the hook and the fish took off to my left and toward open water.  Line is peeling off the reel and it sounds more like a baseball card in a bike’s spokes.  The line toward the end is dyed black and I saw this marking appear and knew that the backing was next.  I was not sure how much I could pressure the fish with that 10 lb. leader and so let the fish run too far.  It bolted for a spot of coral and popped the leader.  So much for my first Bone fish.  At least I set the hook and got to play the fish a bit. We walked the remainder of the morning on the flats and did not spot any other fish. It was just the combination of cool water temps and wind/waves that made the fish scarce.

    Paul walked us back to the anchored skiff and we motored to Savannah Sound for fishing from the bow of the boat.   This area has a plethora of flats that just looked so fishy.   A lot of sand flats coupled with areas of turtle grass (a great place where the fish like to hide).  They call Bone fish the “Ghosts of the Flats” for a reason.  They are so hard to spot.  The fish are silver/light blue, green and blend with their environment so well that our Trout trained eyes have a very difficult time spotting them.  Usually, I would see the movement of the fish as they rocketed by the skiff on their way to other water.  Our guide took us to several different areas in an effort to locate fish, but the fish were just not to be found.   It was Travis’s turn on the bow, and he was casting into a patch of turtle grass and coral when he thought he snagged his fly.  He tells Paul, I think I am hooked on a rock!  Paul tells him “that rock has fins, stick him!”  The fish started his run and the combination of a heavier leader (12 lb) and the 9 wt. Meridian helped Travis bring the fish to the boat.  No nets are used, just hand landing.  I grabbed the leader and once the fish was alongside, turned it upside down (calming the fish) and pulled the barbless hook from the mouth. “Fish Magnet Travis” had caught a nice 2 lb. Bone.  These fish have very tough mouths (they crush crabs and shrimp when feeding) so the strip set really buries the hook and makes it come out with a crunch (keep your fingers out of their mouths).  I got to make a few more casts into the turtle grass/coral but no luck.  Our day was finished.   So, our tally was 1 ½ fish.  You get to count a hook-up as a ½ cause just setting a hook on a Bone fish is quite an accomplishment.  I am looking forward to going back in the months that are best for fishing.  I am thinking three days of guided fishing along with some DIY wading.  The whole island adventure is something else.   The contrast of colors from the Atlantic side to the Caribbean waters is breath taking.  Atlantic is deep blue while the Caribbean is multiple shades of green.  Gorgeous really.   Poling on the skiff we got to see different species of Sharks, Barracuda, Sting Rays, and Sea Turtles. All are amazing sights with many family friendly (not crowded) beaches. The island food is wonderful, and you need to enjoy the Conch and Kalicks.  Put Bone fishing on your “To Do” list and make some memories.

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    in reply to: Choosing the right fly line. #21097
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Steve,

    I will second Kenny’s RIO Gold recommendation for the 5 wt. Radian. That line is the best combination of distance plus presentation.  Scientific Anglers GPX/MPX line also works but is a bit heavy handed in the presentation department.   If you are strictly using streamers, the GPX/MPX works just fine.

    RIO Gold is what is on both my 5 and 6 wt. Radians.

    Bob

    in reply to: Trout fishing in area Lakes #20390
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Jefferson Lake, which is across from Barnes hospital is stocked with trout.  From Nov. to Feb. is catch and release only.  After that , you can catch and keep.

    The West bank of the lake is your best bet.  A leech or a bugger under an indicator is a good place to start.   Also the “Mop Fly” (sorry Sensei) is also productive out there.  You will see the good spots on the lake by the lack of grass on the shore line.

    Normally , it is best to cast our as far as you can, and then slowly strip back.  Fish will hit anywhere along your cast so be prepared.  There are some nice Trout in that lake.

    Good Luck

    Bob

    in reply to: Inconsistent Results #11314
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Glenn,

    It seems that I tend to use different techniques on the various sections of Montauk. Often you can see the fish just laying on the bottom and not really interested in anything.  U have seen this, you have a real good drift going right toward a fish and it just moves over to let the fly slide by.

    When nymphing, it is so critical to constantly experiment with the right depth for ur flies.

    One good piece of advice I have received was:  If you are catching fish, change flies.  If you are not catching fish, change flies.

    Just a personal opinion, fish in the parks are fickle. They see so much pressure that often times when there is a lul (fish are not biting) it may be the time of day, something changed in the water (depth, clarity) , other fishermen put the fish down from feeding (somebody walked thru the stream) , or the moon is in the wrong phase.

    Watching guides out West, if we are not catching fish, they will change the depth we are fishing.  Flies are changed, or the basic technique is changed (nymphing, streamers, drys). Drys are easy cause you can see the fish rising.

    Like Bill said, you just have to pay attention to what you are seeing in the fish behavior and water conditions.  Concentration and motivation certainly are key components.

    Then, sometimes the fish are just not into what you are offering.

    in reply to: Trout fishing in murky water #10583
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Dan,

    I would look to see if any fish were rising before tying on a dry.

    If the water has a bit of depth and color, would think about a Pat’s Rubber legs under an indicator.  You could also tie a trailer (midge, scud, worm) off the Pat’s.  That would cover a couple of bases for you.  The Pat’s is usually big enough to attract attention and the trailer would let you know if the fish were interested in something smaller.

    Toss this rig around anything that resembles structure and see if you get any hits.

    Off colored water usually limits the fish’s time to get a good look at your offering and they have to make a quick decision on whether to strike or not.

    Bob

    in reply to: Summer Trips? #10504
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Mike,

    Am working on getting some info on Bone fishing guides around Key West as well as Eluthera  island in the Bahamas.

    Got your saltwater gear lined up?

    Bob

    in reply to: Summer Trips? #10501
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Kenny,

    I don’t know if anybody could match that list but I do have a couple of trips planned.

    End of April – Fishing tournament at Rockbridge, Mo

    End of July – Fishing Cody Wyoming, the Shoshone river.

    August – Craig Montana, fishing the Missouri River

    in reply to: Dubbing #10236
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Bill or anyone,

    Have you created a dubbing brush?  If so, what type of equipment/tool did you use.  Have seen several on Youtube.

    Purchasing dubbing brushes are rather pricey.  If the tool is not too expensive, might try making my own brushes.

    Bob

    in reply to: Recommendations for Sinking Tapered Leaders #10231
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Martin,

    I resurrected this thread because I have recently acquired a renewed interest in streamer fishing. One of my fishing cohorts is a very serious streamer fishermen. He has pulled some big brown trout (over 20 inches) from the Current river.

    Sinking leaders vs weighted flies are the issue.  As previously stated, sinking leaders are a tool for fast/deeper water. Kenny was referencing using weighted flies (like Woolybuggers) that use lead wire along with bead heads to get them to the desired depth when using a standard WF line and tapered leaders.

    What about using non-weighted flies like articulated streamers.  Check out Youtube for tying Double Decievers. These are big (5 -6 inches long) flies that are light weight (no lead wire or beads) and rely on a sinking leader to get them down to the fish.  One of the reasons to leave the weight off the fly is to enhance its swimming action.  Getting that side to side, wounded bait fish, swimming action is one of the advantages of the articulated streamers. That action is what targets the bigger predator fish to come out of their hiding places for a juicy meal.  Sinking leaders of 7 and 12 IPS are used depending on the speed and depth of the water with these large articulated flies.

    If you tie, give a try to tying an articulated Woolybuger.  Youtube has a couple of good videos on this.  If you fish in any of the parks in MO, realize that you need to remove the forward hook from your fly.  Only one hook is allowed in the parks (Kenny educated me on this).   U still get that articulated action.  You can tie it with weight or naked and use your sinking leader to get the fly down. If you fish in the park and water is no deeper than 3-4 feet, try a 3 or 5 IPS sinking leader and see how it works.  I am experimenting with that myself.   Have fun and good luck.

    Bob Beckett

    in reply to: Polarized Sunglasses #10132
    Bob3700
    Participant

    I have the amber/bronze.  They are best on sunny days and can get a bit dark early or late in the day.

    My suggestion would be for glass lenses as they are a clearer lens and less prone to scratching.

    Bob

    in reply to: Who you meet on the water! #10118
    Bob3700
    Participant

    Mike,

    On the drive home, Travis was asking me about the FATC and Kenny’s classes so maybe a seed has been planted.  I hope so cause he really seems to enjoy the fly fishing and he has a nice cast too.

    Bob

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