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    • #10582
      DanStag
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      Let’s say you arrive at a trout stream that you are not too familiar with and the water is murky enough that you feel the visibility for the fish is fairly poor.
      How does a seasoned trout fisher approach this situation?
      is a dry fly out of the question? Or should only nymphs be attempted?

       

    • #10583
      Bob3700
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      Dan,

      I would look to see if any fish were rising before tying on a dry.

      If the water has a bit of depth and color, would think about a Pat’s Rubber legs under an indicator.  You could also tie a trailer (midge, scud, worm) off the Pat’s.  That would cover a couple of bases for you.  The Pat’s is usually big enough to attract attention and the trailer would let you know if the fish were interested in something smaller.

      Toss this rig around anything that resembles structure and see if you get any hits.

      Off colored water usually limits the fish’s time to get a good look at your offering and they have to make a quick decision on whether to strike or not.

      Bob

    • #10766
      Steve Baker
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      Found a good article on that topic.

      Have you ever pulled up to a stream after a heavy rain, ready to fish, but canceled your fishing plans because the water looked too high and dirty?
      I’ll be the first to admit there are times when this is the case, but very often anglers scratch their fishing plans when they should instead, have Fished-ON. The fact is, trout can see a whole lot better than we think, and if you fish the right kinds of fly patterns, and target the right water, in many cases you can do pretty darn good fishing in these water conditions. Even better, your odds at catching a trophy fish are increased, because the dingy water will both mask your approach and keep big educated trout from being able to scrutinize your fly patterns. So go ahead, call those anglers you despise and tell them the waters blown out, and you’ll have a good chance of having the water to yourself and wailing on fish all day long.

      Tip 1. Target the Right Kinds of Water

      So you’ve decided to take my advice and fish on, good for you. The first thing you need to do when fishing high and dirty water is target high percentage water. I search out the slower moving seams close to the banks, long stretches of fast shallow water that are followed by buckets or deep water where the fish will stack up, and eddies behind boulders or lay downs. These are all safe havens that trout search out refuge in during high water. They all allow trout to save energy by staying out of the excessive current, while capitalizing on the large influx of food sources drifting. Increased flows and rising water increases the amount of food available for trout. Many aquatic insects get flushed off the bottom of the stream, while others emerge from the freshly submerged stream banks. Examples of this are big stoneflies that are normally found hiding away in clumps of debris and under rocks, and cranefly larva that get washed in from the high water flowing along the banks.

      Tip 2. Choose Larger and Brighter Fly Patterns

      The second thing an angler needs to do to increase their success rate while fishing high and dirty water is choose the right kinds of fly patterns to fish. This is the one time when I feel I don’t have to carry my entire arsenal of gear. I’ll gladly leave my fly boxes with all my tiny fly patterns and light tippet spools at the vehicle. I’ll rig up a 9′-12′ 3x-4x fluorocarbon leader and carry only my fly boxes with large nymphs, bright attractors (eggs and san juan worms), and streamers. What ever you do, don’t be afraid to go big with your fly selection. For instance, larger than average egg patterns work really well in dirty water. The larger profile and bright colors allow the fish to pick them up quickly in the low water clarity. I also like to use big bulky nymph patterns, like Kevin Howells, “Big Nasty”. Any rubberleg stonefly patterns in black or brown will work. If you want to try something a little different you can fish streamer patterns dead drifted under an indicator, like white zonkers, which can be deadly. Most anglers do not realize how well white shows up in dingy water. Your standard Grey woolly bugger work fantastic for imitating cranefly larva, or you can take a more realistic approach using, “Barr’s Cranefly Larva”.

      Tip 3. Don’t Be Shy with Your Split-Shot, Fish Water Thoroughly, Try Streamers

      One things for sure, make sure you pack plenty of split-shot and don’t be afraid to use it. The higher water is going to call for adding more weight to your nymph rig to get your flies down in the strike zone. Be sure to take more time to fish pieces of water more thoroughly before you move on. Your going to have to get the flies closer to the fish for them to see them, and they usually won’t get spooked from repeated casts. Overall, I find nymphing most productive for me during high water, but you can also catch some really nice fish with streamers as well. Try pounding the banks with streamers patterns that push a lot of water. Rubber legs, some flash here and there, and rattles incorporated into your streamers, can increase their effectiveness. Lastly, your retrieve speed should generally be slower rate than what you would normally retrieve in normal flows and water clarity.

      So there you go, that’s my tips for fishing high and dirty water for trout. I hope it persuades the anglers out there to FishON that normally avoid fishing these water conditions.

      Keep it Reel,

      Kent Klewein
      Gink & Gasoline
      http://www.ginkandgasoline.com
      hookups@ginkandgasoline.com

    • #10767
      DanStag
      Participant

      Thanks Steve Baker for the article and the good tips included.
      Asi it turned out I went to Montauk before the article was posted and “accidentally” tried some of the things in the article.
      The date was March 17th and it had lightly rained a day or two previously. While the water was NOT muddy it was murky enough that you couldn’t see the bottom or even down more than 1 foot.
      After catching one and breaking off my last nymph, I tied on an on white crackleback with the cinnamon colored hackle, maybe sized 16, fished as a dry.
      Even though the water was a bit fast (and choppy) for most of the stream, I was able to find some slower water on the edges and seams (as the article suggests) and had some decent luck.
      Surprisingly the trout we’re taking off the top even in the murky (but not muddy) water with overcast sky.
      The results were that over about 4-5 hours, I ended up catching 5 or 6 (some small), and had at least that many strikes.

      This all seemed odd to me since mid March doesn’t seem like a good time for a hatch of any kind, especially on an overcast cloudy day. But then again the water temp is pretty much constant most of the year so time of year may not mean much in spring fed water.

      Before I left I had checked the Missouri hatch guide and it said Blue Wing Olive or Quill Gordon. Even though I had some, I never got to them since the cracklebacks worked. I did see 2 bug hatches along the stream. One that looked like Caddis and another that looked like the Blue Wing Olive.
      Every one I talked to seemed to be using white or olive woolly buggers and having good luck (or so they said). But who believes a trout fisherman anyway?

    • #10796
      Sensei
      Participant

      Ah, grasshoppers,

      Locked down in Dojo I am.  Happy for me to see grasshoppers are thinking about fly fishing still.

      As the saying goes, dark and murky, go big and gaudy. If fishing in the middle of murky water you find yourselves I recommend throwing larger than normal flies – rubberlegged stonefly choice is a good one.  But don’t forget along shore line where many big fish will line up – less murky there because of depth and speed of current. Fish that are down low in the middle can see those bigger flies but you must get flies to them. Along shoreline don’t forget to fish also.

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