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Dia Riki 125s are 2x short but they too are a lighter wire hook. I use them for Midges and Barrs Emergers. They do have barbs so you have to smash barbs. You might check out Firehole Outdoors, Firesticks and see what they have, they are a new company making some pretty nice competition hooks. They are a little pricey though. Fly Fish Food also sells those and hooks from other makers.
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Thanks Bill and Tim! I do like the idea of tying a small (tiny) fly on a “larger” hook, especially since that “larger” hook would have a bigger gap than the tiny hook. BUT…won’t the size of the larger hook (even if tied with a smaller fly) be perceived by the trout as a larger offering? I don’t know what fish actually see, but won’t they include the size of the hook when they are considering taking the fly? Just asking…I don’t have enough experience to draw on for this quandary.
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Well Tim, I’m here now and this discussion has been, how you say, right on. So proud of you guys with your ideas and techniques. As Jim says this is a quandary! Unfortunately, I went to a government school and have no idea what that word means! But that said, tying tiny flies is not only tedious but difficult – but they work!! (check out the latest tips article in our Fly Shop section).
First, the hook is important – how sharp it is, how wide is the gap, how ‘strong’ it is, etc. As you know I love the Tiemco 2499SP-BL. They are a little more expensive but worth it (I buy my from JS Stockard online in the winter months when they go on sale every year).
So here is a list of things to think about and discuss:
1.Wide gap more hookups?
2.Strong hook (heavier wire) won’t lose bigger fish?
3. Use a size 18 hook but tie the fly as a size 20 fly?
4.Barbless hooks versus bending down the barb – which has a longer “hook point” when doing this?(I think it’s the barbless hook meaning the hook is “deeper” in the fish so better hookups).
5. Check the “bend of the hook” is it straight or is there a slight twist to the hook. With the slight twist to the hook – better hook ups? The twist can make it just a little harder for the fish to break loose.
My answers to the above list is “yes”Great discussion! I have a book that shows underwater what the fish really see. I’ll pull it out and see if it would answer the “does the trout see the hook” problem.
Tight lines!!
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